[00:02:41] Will Johnson: Richard, along the way your father experienced cognitive decline and was eventually diagnosed with Alzheimer's, correct? And, in honor of Family Caregiver’s Month, which pays tribute to the 90 million family caregivers in the U.S., we wanted to learn more about Lui, his advice for other caregivers and his decision to retool his schedule. [00:02:08] Richard Lui: Oh no, not easy at all. Please check your email to confirm your subscription. I, I, that’s why when, uh you reached out, I was like, oh yeah, I’ll talk about this. As of now, Lui's dad, Stephen have been diagnosed with Alzheimer, and he is taking long-distance care of his dad, who live in San Francisco (Ric… You will be asked to register or log in. Richard tried his best to be a parent from prison, but his absence affected his children in real and substantial ways. Manage your GDPR consents by clicking here. Lui is also a columnist, contributing to publications including USA Today, Politico, The Seattle Times, Detroit Free Press, and The San Francisco Chronicle. He has three siblings. Incorrect email or username/password combination. It is, if there is a group of people I would like to well, do stuff that I wouldn't do to other people, uh no matter how much I dislike them, for these groups to go after this generation, this age group, this, this age group were the ones that trusted everybody. He, he just loved it. Franz Liszt, Hungarian piano virtuoso and composer. Lui is the son of a Presbyterian minister. Empty comment. [00:08:11] Will Johnson: And this was in a stack of mail he was bringing with different offers from various different groups? He was formerly at CNN where he became the first Asian American male to anchor a daily, national cable news show. Ad Choices. Um, he would say, "Richard, why wouldn't I be winning a million dollars if I sent them in a check for a dollar? But my mom is going through the same thing and we couldn’t do anything and I’m a police officer.” So, that, that was, it was important to do but it does not result in anything. [00:23:10] Will Johnson: Alright, up next on The Perfect Scam, we would like to welcome back Jen Beam. After she danced for Herod, he promised to grant her any wish. [00:14:06] Will Johnson: Or not spent, but how much do you think they siphoned out of his account? And there’s lots of, you know, different sites like Air BnB and Home Away, plus of course, Craig’s List, so there’s different areas that they have definitely gotten into. So again, within a year they shut it down, cause my dad continued to do it. Len Cariou, Actor: About Schmidt. So my mom took the horns and got it done, um, and then the bank said, if this happens again we’re shutting it down. And he had. For us it’s just a dime. Frank, this story is about fraud and scams, but it’s also about the decline of Richard’s father and how someone with Alzheimer’s is so susceptible to something like this. Can you share the ways in which you help support your mom? [00:13:26] Richard Lui: Yeah, um, I don’t think my dad was very ashamed. Jenna Bush Hager & Barbara Pierce Bush Reveal What They Love Most About One Another, Better Not Cry, Better Not Pout! He is an automobile enthusiast and is … [00:12:16] Richard Lui: It is a big part of my story. [00:23:40] Jen Beam: Yeah, cause they think there’s new ways to book travel now, right? We’re going to file a report. Slow down. And he’s writing checks to himself to get his monthly allowance, and still spending some of it, uh on these one or two dollar scams, the cash ones, and then the calls start to come in. As opposed to the, what are you talking about? Len Cariou was born on September 30, 1939 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada as Leonard Joseph Cariou. Now the checks became problematic because they then had account information, right? I was interested also that his mother wrote the scammers back, or at least wrote back to letters that were coming in and said, please stop. Our show is about scams, but as we have made very clear, it’s often tied closely to getting older and dementia in some cases, and now it’s part of your story with your father. [00:01:33] Will Johnson: Let's get into today's story. Richard Berry was born on July 31, 1950 in Paris, France as Richard Élie Benguigui. So my, that’s after, that’s $2000 later. [00:00:03] Richard Lui: For these groups to go after this generation, this, this age group were the ones that trusted everybody. Do not sell my personal information. [00:21:45] Will Johnson: Okay. And I want to thank my cohost, the AARP Fraud Watch Network Ambassador, Frank Abagnale once again for joining us. You just had to go to France and borrow a giant printing press, right, and pretend to be from Boeing. Among his many notable compositions are his 12 symphonic poems, two piano concerti, several sacred choral works, and a variety of solo piano pieces. [00:19:11] Will Johnson: I remember those, yes. Ask MSNBC anchor Richard Lui and he’ll tell you that his decision two years ago to devise a work schedule that enables him to split his time between New York City and San Francisco to help care for his father, Stephen, who was first diagnosed with Alzheimer’s five years ago, is more than a duty—it’s what he knows his parents would do for him if he were in the same situation. Salome, daughter of Herodias and stepdaughter of the tetrarch Herod Antipas. She was the immediate agent in the execution of John the Baptist, who had condemned her mother’s marriage to Herod. Targets. [00:13:01] Will Johnson: The conversation is so important because it’s not happening in a lot of families and a lot of communities and so if we can simply talk about the fact that we’re all getting older, and scammers aren’t going anywhere, those are two separate conversations, but they’re closely entwined and it seems like the more we talk about it, the more awareness is out there, the more comfortable we can be talking about it, the less shame there is surrounding it as well, and embarrassment. Whoops! [00:08:23] Will Johnson: And so he replied to some of these? He was previously married to Susan Barbara Kapilow and Patricia Otter. Your account was created. I mean and move on, cause you’re, you’re basically drawing attention to what they’re doing. Scammers may be devious, but sometimes they’re lazy. She supported my decision to work for two to three days a week in order to fly back to San Francisco every week. “When we first learned about my father’s dementia, it was like watching my dad die in front of me. Um, and we'd go back to the neurologist, uh year after year, and probably within 2015, '16 is when things started to accelerate to a point that it would surprise, for instance, his doctor. It seemed to work. [00:08:28] Will Johnson: Sending in money and hoping to reap the rewards. Give These 25 New Year's Eve Superstitions a Try, So You Have Coronavirus, But It's Not That Bad—Here's Everything You Need to Do, Here's What's Actually Going on When You Get Butterflies in Your Stomach, How to Help the Homeless During the COVID-19 Pandemic and Beyond. He forgets that he’s eaten or showered, but we’re trying to play with medicines to help with that. You'll start receiving the latest news, benefits, events, and programs related to AARP's mission to empower people to choose how they live as they age. We're going to hear from MSNBC anchor Richard Lui and the story of his father. It looks as though you’ve already said that. to search for ways to make a difference in your community at You must be logged in to leave a comment. Richard Lui is sometimes criticized for his twisted background i.e. [00:19:59] Frank Abagnale: Yeah. MSNBC anchor Richard Lui commutes from New York to San Francisco to help care for his father. How are you? www.aarp.org/volunteer. His memories were being taken away everyday. You don’t get that from sharing a meal. They’re not going to ask you to give them a call. [00:07:12] Richard Lui: Oh, this is in terms of Alzheimer's, maybe year one, which means you know a level of 1 or 2, which means that you and I could have a full conversation with him and everything would be fine, right? And then for these groups to go after them, and take advantage of that trust? A controversial figure in his time, he later came to be seen as a revolutionary who anticipated later developments. After Stephen responds to mail from scammers, they begin bombarding him with hundreds of calls asking for money for fake charities and lotteries. [00:09:58] Will Johnson: Holy cow. There’s no vacation home on the beach. Comments: 0, Subscribe:   Apple Podcasts | Google Play | Spotify | Stitcher | TuneIn. [00:14:18] Richard Lui: Not only in real, real terms, but also in from their frame of mind, right? This is how I get to know what’s frustrating, what’s joyful, what’s heartwarming and what’s sad about being 83 and raising an 83-year-old child—my dad. [00:24:05] Jen Beam: Yeah, you finally get everything worked out and you’re like, hey, do you want to try to get away this weekend? Frank’s been working with the FBI for over 40 years now, so all that’s behind him. And for more resources on how to protect yourself or a loved one from becoming a victim of a scam, visit AARP’s Fraud Watch Network website, AARP.org/fraudwatchnetwork. I don’t know if kids will, but... [00:19:13] Frank Abagnale: And it was just no, but it was a regular phone book, so I looked up your name, Will Johnson, and I looked it up and all it told me is Will Johnson, this address, and the phone number. And you really want to talk to someone on the phone. It's garbage." Tips. add to calendar. Uh, they had addresses. He has been married to Heather Summerhayes since October 25, 1986. Not that our later generation was like, you and me are not good people, if you know what I mean, but they, they do represent that idea of a greatest generation. I don’t know if that’s good or bad, but... [00:20:07] Frank Abagnale: No, that’s good, cause there aren’t a lot of Abagnales. And it’s, it pisses me off. [00:19:07] Frank Abagnale: You know, it used to be that if you were listed in the white pages, the regular phone book. So you know, I think that’s all that was. It’s that time of year when a lot of us are making vacation plans or have made vacation plans and are hitting the road in one way or another. [00:00:30] Will Johnson: And this week we have a, a heart wrenching story but we'll get into, but before we do that, I want to ask you briefly, this idea that we've touched on where people who are falling into a scam, sending money in, it's almost like an addiction it sounds like from some people, almost like gambling or other types of addictions where maybe it's some degree of excitement or connection, what have you. Eventually he became a social worker and she was a school teacher. [00:22:41] Will Johnson: Not to make light, or to uh, well not to make light of what you were doing, but there must have been some satisfaction in getting these things all done just perfectly and right that you could look at a check or a diploma or whatever it was and say... [00:22:54] Frank Abagnale: It was a little bit artistic that went into it. Celeb interviews, recipes, wellness tips and horoscopes delivered to your inbox daily. [00:21:54] Will Johnson: You mentioned tools that you didn’t have 50 years ago. [00:19:56] Will Johnson: They can just sort all those names out and choose all the ones that are 70 plus. You are posting comments too quickly. Homer, who was born in February 2000, is the child of the 69-year-old actor and actress Carey Lowell. Schedule of Events. But they called the house and my dad’s like, what do you mean? He moved into the first floor of their San Francisco rowhouse and eventually into a skilled nursing facility. [00:23:01] Will Johnson: Right. Alright, Jen Beam, thanks again. [00:14:09] Richard Lui: Right, right, right. It seems like he is busier in building career rather than worrying about his love life. They’ve agreed to this arrangement for the years to come, too. It’s a tough road for him and even though what’s coming in the future isn’t good, he’s not negative about that. Last summer, Homer spent a family vacation in Italy with his father and his then-girlfriend, Alejandra Silva, who also has a 5-year-old son from her previous relationship. [00:09:16] Will Johnson: And did she have a, did they have a joint account or were they, did she have access to his account? The first-time director Richard Lui, an MSNBC anchor, told NBC Asian America that he wanted to make an intergenerational film that resonates … Lui said his own experiences caring for his father, Stephen Lui, 86, a retired pastor, mailman and social worker who lives in a nursing home in … I’ve been thinking about why I chose to do this and I think it’s because it’s so obvious to me that my parents would do the same thing for me. So they went down to the local police station, walk in there, the officer who is very kind said, “Mr. [00:02:52] Richard Lui: You know, uh, the, the, I think the moment where we knew it wasn't Dad just being a little goofy, um, a little freak out because he never was necessarily the sharpest tool in the shed, that was my mom, um, and he, his sister, he grew up in a family of 13, 12 siblings I should say, he was like the youngest son. MSNBC anchor Richard Lui commutes from New York to San Francisco to help care for his father. This is more generational. 10:00 a.m. - 4:00 p.m. For AARP - The Perfect Scam. [00:20:11] Frank Abagnale: And if there are, they’re related to me, so in the case of having Johnson, that’s a good thing. Richard Luiwas bBorn in 1972, into a low-income family; his father was a youth pastor turned social worker; whereas his mother was a former teacher turned stay-at-home mom. "They are really trying to do that to you.". Mother and daughter reunited after separation at the Arizona border So if I go to white pages on the internet and I look up Will Johnson who lives maybe in Virginia, and I basically came across his name, it tells me how old Will is. And then they had a signature. They have one child. [00:14:14] Richard Lui: Thousands, and two to three thousand is a lot for these folks. Acceptance: Richard Lui’s Father and Alzheimer’s Disease. And we go out and we try to bring our values to the world to say that's what we do. He loves to tell me he loves me. Oh no. [00:03:34] Richard Lui: So my Aunt Fannie comes over, says, "Richard, can we talk outside?" I’m not going to stand for that. Slow down. My anger is that they're going after these folks. So your father was in, in good health more or less throughout your life. Stephen Lui, who spent his career as a pastor and social worker, is now retired and suffers from dementia. Read his story and tips. My parents are emblematic to me of what makes our country strong—working hard and doing what your heart tells you to do. Uh, I, I do it probably about half a million miles a year now. Refresh your page, login and try again. So I think it’s kind of a nice story that Richard is showing you that you have to take interest in your parents and be involved in their life to make sure that they’re not taken disadvantage of. Like he’s always loved mail. Prompted by Herodias, she asked for John’s head on a platter. [00:11:41] Will Johnson: So your father is getting mail, your mom goes to the police station, but... [00:11:46] Richard Lui: With my dad, with my dad. [00:02:49] Will Johnson: Tell me about that experience for you, him, and your family. Their lives have been very difficult as they have tried to grow up while forming a relationship with their father behind bars. No. [00:05:46] Richard Lui: It does. Your use of this website constitutes and manifests your acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy, Cookie Notification, and awareness of the California Privacy Rights. You um, you know Craig’s List, it’ll be an email usually. [00:15:06] Will Johnson: So you’re there doing what your father would do for you, and it sounds like your family, everyone’s doing that. It's hard to digest. And Aunt Fannie and my dad were close. 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[00:15:40] Richard Lui: Well there’s, a, a bunch of things, um, but one is just talking about it openly. An email has been sent to you. I say ‘I’m Richard your son.’ He’ll say ‘Sorry—my Alzheimer’s/dementia sometimes affects me.’ So long as I can continue to hear that from him, I’m OK. Do you think being your dad’s primary caregiver has been hard on your mom? Recipes. But the Luis’ story is about more than being scammed, it’s about Richard and his family’s dedication to caring for Stephen. That idea of we work really hard and we do good things and that makes this a good place to live, this country, right? [00:20:34] Frank Abagnale: Sometimes they’re very bad people, and sometimes they’re just people uh that are posing as a charity or something, and they don’t want to cause any hassles for them, so once you start writing them a letter they think, well the next step these people will go to the police, so they just go on to the next person. 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